— Garrett Graff, journalist, historian, and author of “UFO: The Inside Story of the US Government’s Search for Alien Life Here—and Out There,” joins David to discuss the book. Get it here:
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A very good interview Mr Pakman. Garret Graff speaks well and your questions were precise.
I definitely saw something strange back in the late 70’s. Myself, Mom and sister as well. Thing (object) brightly lit in a cow pasture one night, did not belong there. Can’t say what it was but there was no reason for anything being there in a random place and time.
If the US government was covering up UAP contact, Trump would not have been able to shut up about it. Ergo, it’s probably bs.
IMHO all those fresh US military video leaks we are steadily and conveniently having since 2019 thanks to Tom DeLonge (Flir / Gofast / Gimbal) and Jeremy Corbell (Pyramid / Spherical / Jellyfish) are voluntarly fed as a distraction. Of what, that I don’t know, maybe just to keep the embarrassing community at large buzy with nothing
I say that because – almost – all those videos are debunked one at a time, those fully documented debunks make no appearance in the medias or in the field, and are easily spoted by trained and military eyes that have often more context and not by the general public.
If you look for the ex-officials that speak publicly about it, they say litteraly nothing of substance, juste that they know people that know. Look for David Grusch earings, Sean Kirkpatrick and Luis Elizondo
Do you think they could walk out from military as protected whistleblowers, saying everywhere they know stuff they can’t divulge, even in senate, and be safe with that kind of secrets and technology ? Something is fishy
Sadly, the truth will not be aired on YouTube
Thanks for opening on that topic David, love your show
My problem with several of the arguemts is that there have been people coming forward throughout the years Grusch is not the first and I’m sure not the last, documents have been leaked like “Majestic Documents”, “Truman-Forrestal Memo”, “Wilson-Davis Document”, others released in 70s and 80s thru FOIA. Public just can’t accept it and doesn’t want to deal with it. CIA torturing people is not really an earth-shattering news to anyone and doesn’t require leap of faith to believe to be true. Hell just read the “Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) Disclosure Act of 2023” authored by the Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer it will blow your brains out. It was killed in the House after Pentagon lost its shit over it.
As for keeping the secrets part they kept secret the existence of an entire government agency employing thousands of people for 23 years, even more if you count it’s predecessor. It took Church Committee hearings in Congress to reveal the existence of NSA publicly. National Reconnaissance Office was established in 1960 it was declassified in 1992 and employes 14 thousand people.
I guess what I’m saying is that it’s easier for the government to keep secrets when you are doing half of the job for them and dismissing any whistleblower that comes forward no matter their credentials.
David:
I always try to be open-minded about virtually everything, though with a shipload of scepticism until it can be shown to be correct. I think Graff is being extremely kind about Grush, who is not a person I’d regard as credible.
“I didn’t grow up on _Star Trak.”_ But what about _Star Was?_
Old mate spoke like Elon musk… twenty minutes and said nothing substantial… but like Grush in front of congress.